{"id":12403,"date":"2023-08-28T10:09:42","date_gmt":"2023-08-28T10:09:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/occ.vsgconsulting.eu\/?p=12403"},"modified":"2023-09-27T07:36:48","modified_gmt":"2023-09-27T07:36:48","slug":"stories-from-ukraine-2-irina-viktor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/occ.vsgconsulting.eu\/ca\/stories-from-ukraine-2-irina-viktor\/","title":{"rendered":"Hist\u00f2ries d'Ucra\u00efna #2: Irina i Viktor"},"content":{"rendered":"

Aquest article ha estat desenvolupat per Joana Purves, Thomas Leroux i Emma Santanach.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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En el marc del projecte europeu \u201cUkraine Now\u201d, que il\u00b7lumina la situaci\u00f3 de les persones que fugen del conflicte a Ucra\u00efna, ens hem reunit amb Irina & Viktor de Donetsk per parlar del seu viatge a Barcelona i de la seva situaci\u00f3 actual a Catalunya.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Procedent de la regi\u00f3 de Donetsk, la parella vivia en territoris ocupats des del 2014, per\u00f2 es va veure obligat a fugir, via R\u00fassia, el 2022 quan el conflicte es va intensificar. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ens vam reunir amb tots dos a les oficines de OCC Espanya, a Barcelona, ja que ara viuen tots dos a la ciutat. Aquesta \u00e9s la hist\u00f2ria d'Irina i Viktor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

B\u00e9, la primera pregunta \u00e9s molt b\u00e0sica. Si ens poguessis donar el teu nom, edat i d'on ets a Ucra\u00efna. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> <\/strong>Em dic Irina, tinc 62 anys i viv\u00edem a la part oriental d'Ucra\u00efna, la regi\u00f3 de Donetsk ("Makiyivka").<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Viktor:<\/em> <\/strong>Em dic Viktor, tinc 67 anys i, evidentment, vivim junts a la mateixa regi\u00f3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Quan vas marxar d'Ucra\u00efna i on vas anar? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> <\/strong>Aix\u00ed que la nostra filla viu aqu\u00ed a Espanya, a Barcelona, des de l'any 2020 i quan va comen\u00e7ar el conflicte obert l'any 2022, era volunt\u00e0ria de la Creu Roja i tamb\u00e9 tradu\u00efa i ajudava persones que venien com a refugiades. Ella va insistir que marx\u00e9ssim d'Ucra\u00efna... Tot i que aix\u00f2 va ser molt dif\u00edcil, sobretot des del 2014 amb la invasi\u00f3 oberta. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Com vas sortir d'Ucra\u00efna? Hi havia una ruta concreta?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> Va ser un cam\u00ed molt complicat en realitat, tamb\u00e9 perqu\u00e8 el territori ja estava ocupat, aix\u00ed que no vam poder entrar a Ucra\u00efna. Per tant, vam haver de travessar la frontera russa, anar des del territori ocupat a R\u00fassia, despr\u00e9s creuar tota R\u00fassia, anar a Let\u00f2nia, despr\u00e9s anar a Pol\u00f2nia, i finalment a Espanya. Aix\u00ed, en total, van ser m\u00e9s de 5000 km. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Amb avi\u00f3 o un altre mitj\u00e0 de transport?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> Tot amb cotxe. Condu\u00efm tots dos. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Com us sentiu durant aquells dies?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Viktor:<\/em> <\/strong>Va ser molt dur f\u00edsicament per\u00f2 tamb\u00e9 mentalment perqu\u00e8 era molt estressant. Vam haver de passar 30 hores a la frontera russa i despr\u00e9s completar tot el trajecte. Va trigar una setmana. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Les condicions eren molt, molt dures. Feia molt fred i no eren condicions per quedar-se al cotxe, no hi havia infraestructures. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> S\u00ed, per exemple, no hi havia lavabos, hi havia gent que feia cua amb nens perqu\u00e8 no hi havia bancs per seure, etc. La gent estava simplement a fora. Les condicions eren molt dures. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hi ha alguna cosa, com qualsevol record, alguna an\u00e8cdota, qualsevol detall concret del vostre viatge que us agradaria compartir? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Viktor: <\/em>Est\u00e0vem molt concentrats a assolir el nostre objectiu d'arribar finalment al nostre dest\u00ed. Va ser molt cansat, aix\u00ed que no vam prestar massa atenci\u00f3 al que passava fora. Era m\u00e9s centrat en les necessitats b\u00e0siques, no adormir-se mentre condu\u00efa i seguir endavant. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Com et vas sentir quan vas arribar?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> <\/strong>Ens vam sentir molt perduts durant el trajecte i quan vam arribar tamb\u00e9 ens vam sentir molt perduts. No \u00e9s que arribem i tot va anar b\u00e9 de cop. Hi havia aquesta sensaci\u00f3 d'estar perdut.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Viktor:<\/em> <\/strong>\u00c9s m\u00e9s aviat una met\u00e0fora: encara tinc aquesta sensaci\u00f3, quan vaig arribar per primera vegada a Barcelona i fins avui, que estic en un tren i hi ha gent al voltant i la gent \u00e9s amable i servicial, per\u00f2 sempre estic al capdavant. tren i no s\u00e9 quan arribar\u00e9 al nostre dest\u00ed final, no s\u00e9 quan baixar\u00e9 d'aquest tren, i per tant, com que sempre hi ha aquesta sensaci\u00f3 que est\u00e0s de cam\u00ed a algun lloc, no se sent com si vols invertir en determinades coses, o invertir en persones, etc. Est\u00e0s constantment en una transici\u00f3. Aquesta \u00e9s la sensaci\u00f3 que he tingut.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Et sents incert sobre el futur?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Viktor:<\/em> <\/strong>Sento incertesa, tamb\u00e9 per la meva edat, no veig realment el meu futur aqu\u00ed, tot i que estic intentant aprendre espanyol. Tamb\u00e9 en termes econ\u00f2mics, com que aqu\u00ed no tinc molts ingressos econ\u00f2mics, encara estic pensant a trobar potser la possibilitat de tornar enrere, de no convertir-se en un llast per a la fam\u00edlia i per al sistema.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Hi ha una gran comunitat ucra\u00efnesa aqu\u00ed a Barcelona?<\/strong> Un espai segur on encara et puguis sentir connectat amb Ucra\u00efna? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina: <\/em>De fet, tenir la comunitat ucra\u00efnesa \u00e9s molt bo per a nosaltres. Formo part d'un cor ucra\u00efn\u00e8s, que implica treballar amb companys cantants del cor. Formar part del cor contribueix a sentir-nos part d'una comunitat, a crear amistats i ens d\u00f3na molt de suport a mi i a nosaltres.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aquesta iniciativa \u00e9s una nova que es va crear despr\u00e9s de la guerra, o es va crear abans?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> Va ser creat arran de la guerra; \u00e9s un projecte relativament nou.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mirant enrere, quina destacaries com la part m\u00e9s dif\u00edcil d'adaptar-se a un nou pa\u00eds, qu\u00e8 es presenta com el repte m\u00e9s important? I hi va haver sorpreses agradables?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina:<\/em> El m\u00e9s dif\u00edcil va ser realment prendre la decisi\u00f3 de marxar del nostre pa\u00eds, sabent que potser no hi hauria marxa enrere o que les opcions de retorn estarien limitades durant molt de temps. Aquesta decisi\u00f3 va suposar deixar la nostra feina, no tenir suport econ\u00f2mic, i enfrontar-nos al fet que tornar seria complicat, donat que som d'un territori ocupat. Prendre aquesta decisi\u00f3 conscient va ser la part m\u00e9s dif\u00edcil del proc\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

En positiu, la transici\u00f3 a Barcelona va ser m\u00e9s f\u00e0cil pel fet que la nostra filla ja viu aqu\u00ed. Hav\u00edem visitat Barcelona en el passat i coneix\u00edem l'entorn i la ciutat. L'ambient a Barcelona \u00e9s una cosa que ens agrada: l'alegria als carrers, l'ambient obert, les celebracions constants, s\u00f3n elements positius.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Vols compartir idees o pensaments addicionals que no hem tractat a la nostra conversa?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Irina: <\/em>Volem donar les gr\u00e0cies Abuab<\/a> pel suport inestimable ofert! Les excursions i els concerts gratu\u00efts van ser especialment agradables i ens van fer sentir atesos i recolzats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A m\u00e9s, val la pena esmentar que hi ha una organitzaci\u00f3 anomenada \u201cRussos contra la guerra\u201d a Barcelona. L'organitzaci\u00f3 est\u00e0 dirigida per russos que s'oposen a la guerra i donen suport al poble ucra\u00efn\u00e8s. Organitzen cursos d'idiomes i altres formes d'assist\u00e8ncia. El fet de rebre el suport d'aquesta organitzaci\u00f3 tamb\u00e9 va crear un sentiment de ser recolzat i de pertinen\u00e7a. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ucra\u00efna ara<\/em><\/strong> t\u00e9 com a objectiu conscienciar a tot Europa sobre els moviments de refugiats despr\u00e9s que la cobertura dels mitjans de comunicaci\u00f3 disminueixi, per tal de desenvolupar nous enfocaments de comunicaci\u00f3 sobre la migraci\u00f3 i facilitar la inclusi\u00f3 de les persones despla\u00e7ades a les comunitats locals. Reuneix quatre organitzacions a nivell europeu: Mareena (Eslov\u00e0quia), ARCA (Romania), OCC (Gr\u00e8cia) i OCC (Espanya).<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aquest projecte est\u00e0 cofinan\u00e7at per la Uni\u00f3 Europea a trav\u00e9s d'Erasmus+.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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